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« on: December 04, 2019, 08:56:23 am »
Do people in your country know the names of the most common wild flowers? I recall asking some native speakers of English the names of some flowers and being told "it's a... flower" while they looked at me with genuine surprise as if to say "do you really expect me to know this?" It was the kind of look you would get if you asked someone about nuclear physics or neuroscience. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Czech people know everything, quite the opposite actually, but I believe there is this expectation and a slightly apologetic "gosh, I should know this" that doesn't seem to be universal. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you know if any of these grow in your country and do you know their names? Do kids learn their names in school? And how many of these can you name in your second/third language?

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 06:35:47 pm »
A generation or so ago, people in Britain did know the names of everyday flowers, trees, birds and so on.  Now they don't.

There've been lots of studies in the UK on what's known as the 'Nature Deficit' and the results are heartbreaking. For example, a few years ago they did a test on some primary school kids, showing them pictures of Pokemon creatures alongside some common British birds and animals. It turned out the kids could name the imaginary characters without any problem at all, but they failed to recognise even a robin or a blackbird. In another study, their parents fared no better.

What's even sadder is the updates to the Oxford Children's dictionary. In recent years, they removed words like 'acorn' and 'dandelion' to make room for 'vlog' and 'selfie stick'.

Now to your pictures. Sadly, kids don't learn about flowers at school. Off the top of my head: dandelion, some kind of nettle?, some kind of daisy?, don't know but it looks garlicky, poppies, lily of the valley, forget-me-not, thistle, probably a buttercup but not too sure.   I also know the French names for those that I'm sure about.

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 07:32:47 pm »
You're right, SuKi, it's definitely a generation thing as well. I'd like to think that kids here still learn names of flowers. I know I did when I was little but I already knew many of them because my parents had taught me them - and they're no plant enthusiasts. Also, I think that our culture revolves around forests and fields and quite a few classic cartoons and stories for kids mention specific plants. So there's still hope for kids who have their faces glued to a screen of some sort. Schools definitely still teach about different types of trees and birds that stay here during the winter months and ones that migrate. For some reason this seems to be very important.

You did great! (I hope this is a situation where "great" can be used as purely positive.) It's a nettle, the blue one is chicory and the green one that looks a bit like wild garlic is plantago lanceolata, also called ribwort plantain, narrowleaf plantain or, this may surprise you, English plantain :) Not to be confused with the other plantain, a cooking banana.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 11:13:03 pm »
Why would 'great' not be positive?

I don't think I've ever seen a chicory flower (though I note that one of its names is 'blue daisy', so I wasn't far off), and I'd never have guessed the plantain one. Are those common in the Czech Republic?

I grew up with the Cecily Mary Barker flower fairy books, so most of my flower recognition ability comes from those.

Here's the very cute chicory fairy:
By the white cart-road, Dusty and dry, Look! there is Chicory, Blue as the sky! Or, where the footpath Goes through the corn, See her bright flowers, Each one new-born! Though they fade quickly, O,...
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 08:51:06 am »
I was thinking things like "well, that's just great" or simply "great" with a sarcastic tone. Ever since you wrote about "thanks a lot", I've been thinking twice before using something that could be misinterpreted in writing. I don't think "you did great" could be taken the wrong way, though, could it?

The chicory fairy is cute. Yes, we get chicory here, although from a distance I sometimes get it mixed up with cornflower that grows here, too.



The plantain is super common here. So is its relative that looks like this:

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2019, 10:35:43 pm »
I don't think "you did great" could be taken the wrong way, though, could it?

No, I don't think it could. I'll take it as a genuine compliment and shan't quibble over the lack of adverb  ;)
 

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 11:41:54 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2019, 12:50:06 pm »
So, here's the question:

We're wandering through the flower-filled Czech woodlands and pastures and we pick a posy of wildflowers to present to our loved ones. Which way up do we carry it? See video below:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-to-hold-a-bouquet-of-flowers-upside-down

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2019, 03:03:11 pm »
Ah, the well-known Eastern European bouquet grip! The idea of carrying wild flowers this way makes me giggle, not sure why. It might be because of the stems, they're shorter and thinner than in cultivated flowers you get from the shop. I'm not sure why that matters, either.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2019, 03:18:16 pm »
Ah, the well-known Eastern European bouquet grip!

So it's true, then? You folks really do carry bouquets with the heads pointing downwards?

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2019, 04:13:02 pm »
So it's true, then? You folks really do carry bouquets with the heads pointing downwards?
Yes, we do. Is it really weird? :)
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2019, 04:35:19 pm »
Not weird per se.  The only thing that's weird is that there's a difference. If we were to draw a line down a map of Europe, with a flowers-up icon on one side and a flowers-down one on the other, where would the line go? I wonder if anyone's ever done that?

In fact, the heads-down approach is quite sensible. I have heard that there's a practical reason - maybe something about all the planty sappy goodness draining down into the flower heads making them last longer? If I picked a handful of, say, leeks and carrots, I'd probably carry them home from the allotment pointing downwards.

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2019, 07:25:01 pm »
If we were to draw a line down a map of Europe, with a flowers-up icon on one side and a flowers-down one on the other, where would the line go? I wonder if anyone's ever done that?
It sounds like the FBI have done that :)
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Re: Wild Flowers
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2019, 04:36:34 am »
We have dandelions, daisies, and poppies here. The others I did not recognize, know the name of but looked similar to plants I have seen.

I frequently have ¨projects¨ learning particular kinds of things in Spanish.  My garden, landscape, and nature project was the most difficult project for which to find teachers.  I used the series ¨Big Dreams, Small Spaces¨ that is British.  Most of my teachers were at a complete loss to know the names of flowers, plants, gardening tools, landscaping features, etc.  I found two young ones that were interested and enjoyed looking up the terms and learning them along with me.  I only found one teacher, probably in her 50´s, that actually new most of the terms in Spanish. 

One thing I learned in the process partly was that young, economically challenged city-dwelling Venezuelan college graduates just haven´t had much exposure to that.  I also learned that gardening is much less popular in Spain and Spanish speaking countries than in England or some parts of the U.S.

Apparently the climate of England is similar enough to where I live that we have a lot of the same plants-- but of course it is very different than the warmer climate of most Spanish speaking countries.  I also understand that there are many more species of wildflowers in tropical places-- maybe it is just too overwhelming trying to spend time identifying them all, especially for young city dwellers.
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