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Jealous and envious in your language
« on: August 18, 2019, 01:07:48 pm »
The word jealous has several meanings in English. I used to only associate it with showing suspicion in a relationship, until I heard someone say something like "you're going to Greece for two weeks? I'm so jealous." It sounded like a completely irrelevant piece of information to me, as though they were saying "by the way, I don't trust my husband at all". I know now that jealous can also mean envious and I just found out it can also mean fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.

In Czech, there isn't a word that would cover any combination of these meanings. We have a separate word for jealous in a relationship (žárlivý) and jealous as in wanting the thing someone else has (závistivý). We would, however, use the related verbs (žárlit, závidět) rather than the adjectives in most contexts. I'm struggling to think of one single word that would convey the meaning protective.

How do languages you know handle this? Is there one word for for both jealous and envious?
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Re: Jealous and envious in your language
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2019, 06:46:52 pm »
The word jealous has several meanings in English. I used to only associate it with showing suspicion in a relationship, until I heard someone say something like "you're going to Greece for two weeks? I'm so jealous." It sounded like a completely irrelevant piece of information to me, as though they were saying "by the way, I don't trust my husband at all". I know now that jealous can also mean envious and I just found out it can also mean fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.

In Czech, there isn't a word that would cover any combination of these meanings. We have a separate word for jealous in a relationship (žárlivý) and jealous as in wanting the thing someone else has (závistivý). We would, however, use the related verbs (žárlit, závidět) rather than the adjectives in most contexts. I'm struggling to think of one single word that would convey the meaning protective.

How do languages you know handle this? Is there one word for for both jealous and envious?


Yes, I think that English is pretty loose about treating jealous and envious as just about synonymous a lot of the time.

In German there is Neid(isch): envy, defined in Duden as „Empfindung, Haltung, bei der jmd. einem andern dessen Besitz od. Erfolg nicht gönnt u. selbst haben möchte“ the feeling or attitude with which someone would begrudge another some possession or success and would like to have it for himself.

And Eifersucht(eifersüchtig): (jealously)
starke, übersteigerte Furcht, jmds. Liebe od. einen Vorteil mit einem anderen teilen zu müssen od. an einen anderen zu verlieren: the strong and overwhelming fear of losing or having to share the love or someone or an advantage with someone else.

I‘ve always thought of jealousy as having to do with people and envy just characteristics or possessions, usually of a nature that someone can never have.

Envy is considered the most destructive of human emotions because it generates a sort of melancholy hate. Where jealously is more the desire to have what another has, but it doesn’t exclude the possibility of that person eventually having it. 

So, a 60 year old can be envious of a 30 year old because he can never be 30 again. But the 60 year old can be jealous of the neighbor‘s pretty wife (doesn’t mean he can never have one himself). That’s why envy is so much more destructive than jealously.
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Re: Jealous and envious in your language
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2019, 03:51:46 am »
In Spanish, my teachers seem to have different opinions on this one.  In Spanish jealousy is ¨celos¨ and envy is ¨envidia.¨ Some of my teachers have told me ¨celos¨ always refers to insecurity in a sexual or romantic relationship.  Other teachers (from the same country) have disagreed with that definition and told me it is similar to English, that ¨celos¨ can be wanting what some other person has.  Since some people are going to take it in a sexual way, my own policy is to only use ¨celos¨ in regard to talking about love relationships, whereas in English, Jealous could refer to insecurity of the relationship or to just desiring what someone else has or is able to do.

This site seems to have a logical comparison of the two, but of course it is in Spanish. 
Tanto la envidia como los celos son emociones «negativas» o no constructivas. Ambas hacen referencia a la pertenencia o no pertenencia de algo; ya sean bienes materiales  o bienes abstractos, ...
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.  To basically translate it loosely, it says that the principal differences is that envy refers to wanting what another person has, while jealousy is the emotion related to the fear of losing something or someone.  I suspect that that is a valid distinction from someone knowledgeable, but since so many Latinos do not seem to see it that way, I am just careful to differentiate and only use ¨celos¨ about the fear of losing a relationship (or being cheated on.)
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Re: Jealous and envious in your language
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2019, 08:39:57 am »
Thank you, Steven and Susan. I wasn't aware of the nuance in meaning between envy and jealousy and I wasn't aware the noun jealousy was still applicable when talking about wanting something. I thought jealousy only applied to love relationships. I find it really interesting that the similarity in meaning is regionally determined in Spanish and even two people in the same country might have different opinions. I think there is a general theme to the word "jealous" in English, which is the desire to own something and the fear of losing it. I think that once we look into the concepts that words with multiple meanings represent, we can often find a connection between the individual meanings.

I'm still hoping to find out how it is in other languages.
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Re: Jealous and envious in your language
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2019, 11:53:10 am »
In Polish we use "zazdrość" (noun), "zazdrościć" (verb) and "zazdrosny" (adjective) in both meanings - both about the possession and relationships, in every flavour from being overprotective to family and possessions to the potentially destructive feelings.
"Zawiść" is always a negative and destructive feeling about the wellness, wealth and people we can't have. We don't use its verb form, the adjective is "zawistny".
"Żarliwość" (adjective "żarliwy", no verb in use) is usually positive. It goes with the names of feelings and other descriptions of a personality. It means that the person puts all of his forces, all of himself into this feeling. The meaning is probably close to "passionate". We can say it e.g. about love, faith, defence of animals' rights, ...
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Re: Jealous and envious in your language
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2019, 05:17:49 pm »
Thank you, Martin. I would never expect the word "żarliwość" to have a positive meaning.
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