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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2019, 12:13:40 am »
Kseniia, yes, the Hunger Strikes were quite a harrowing affair, which the film portrayed very well. (Just as a brief aside, an Iranian friend of mine told me that after Bobby Sands died, Winston Churchill Avenue in Tehran, which is where the British Embassy was located, was renamed Bobby Sands Street. Of course the British weren't too keen on the idea of having an embassy with an address on Bobby Sands Street, so they sealed up the main entrance and started using a back door which opened out onto some other street instead.)

I'm sure the Irish language was a tool of resistance in prisons long before the Troubles, but I don't know that there had ever been the Jailtacht phenomenon before, where prisoners as a group were actively engaged in learning Irish with that specific idea in mind. Undoubtedly in Kilmainham, and other prisons of that era, the number of inmates who already had Irish when they arrived was much higher, and the language probably taken more for granted.

I'm curious to know what textbook you're quoting from. An seoinín tusa? Ní hea.  :D  Ar fheabhas!
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Re: Question for SHL
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2019, 07:21:40 pm »
@Neal, are you asking me or Coligno? Because the answers would be quite different: Coligno is definitely well read and I'm definitely not. Anyway, it's not about literature, it's about history, about some (quite recent) events in Ireland — I think you know a lot about it yourself but maybe you're just more used to looking at it from a different angle? "No Béarla" is just an Irish show about the language, by the way - not even a documentary, but there are a few interesting things about it. I was talking about this conversation:


@Coligno, you're right of course, I actually don't know if there were any Irish-learning groups in prisons in other time periods... Maybe there was something like this but not in the form of Jailtacht?
Ah, the page is from the Moscow State University textbook "Современный ирландский язык. Учебные диалоги с комментарием" (https://ufile.io/uulhj , page 98) — but the author says some stories are from Irish school textbooks so I don't know where exactly this particular story is from, originally.
[I thought you might find this a bit amusing but it almost brought a conflict into my house: I translated it into English when a friend of mine asked what I was reciting. Well it wasn't the best idea ever, I might have as well said something like "up the RA!", the reaction would've been the same I think]

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Re: Question for SHL
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2019, 02:22:40 pm »
@Neal, I assumed your question was directed at Kseniia: I think you probably know me well enough by now not to be surprised that I know a thing or two about Irish. And, to answer it for her, she's much better read than she likes to admit.

@Kseniia, Ah, Garry Bannister, is it?
This would be an English friend, I presume. The English generally have very little understanding of Irish history or their own country's pernicious role therein, or the conflict in the North (as Brexit is currently making abundantly clear; it's an amusing irony that the Irish border which is now causing the English Brexiters so much trouble was actually created by them in the first place). I think the English press presented a very one-sided story during the Troubles, and any attempt to try and gain a deeper understanding or a more balanced picture might be condemned as pandering to terrorists. But, cogar, where have you been learning phrases like "Up the RA!"?
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2019, 08:50:36 am »
@Coligno, oh, you know him? He's basically the founder of the Russian centre of Celtic culture, and the explanations for Russian speakers are written by his student (she's Head of the Department of Germanic and Celtic Philology at MSU now, as far as I understand — though I never studied at MSU myself so I can be wrong here).

Well, it's not that unusual for people to take negative information about their country's politics to heart (I catch myself feeling the same sometimes), but you're right, when it comes to Irish republicanism, the reaction is particularly bad. *

(...) where have you been learning phrases like "Up the RA!"?
I'm not supposed to tell anyone Seriously, though, maybe I heard it in a documentary or something (I think they mentioned these slogans in the documentary "Irish ways" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E-lm6bQEp6I ] — a very interesting one, by the way, because they interviewed both republicans and loyalists (and representatives of the British Army, and of course ordinary citizens). But I'm not absolutely sure, and anyway in Russia it's relatively easy to come across this kind of information: for example, one of the most popular Russian folk-rock singers, Хелависа, used to sing Rising of the Moon at her concerts (I remember this performance of her, for instance — https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=2ogjWwnVxgY , from 2:20).

*actually it's a relief that people think this way mostly because they are not well-informed (not that I claim to be well-informed myself but still) — I personally know Stalin's fans and people wholeheartedly supporting Churchill's "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time" position, and it's much, much worse.

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Re: Question for SHL
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2019, 11:55:13 am »
@Kseniia, I don't know him personally, but I know of him.
*actually it's a relief that people think this way mostly because they are not well-informed (not that I claim to be well-informed myself but still) — I personally know Stalin's fans and people wholeheartedly supporting Churchill's "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time" position, and it's much, much worse.
Yes, you're right. I don't think most people in Britain are against the idea of a united Ireland as such (in fact I'm sure many would be only too glad to get rid or Northern Ireland), but the only thing many of them know about Irish nationalism is the IRA, which they, quite understandably, don't like. But with all this recent talk about the "precious Union" and the "UK family" and with the DUP looming large in UK politics, maybe attitudes are changing, but I'm a bit out of touch there, so I don't really know.
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