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« on: May 28, 2019, 01:41:44 pm »
Conspiracy def: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

We need a new word. Example: You don't think Kennedy was killed by one guy using an old, worn-out, inaccurate { Italian! [ Junk ] } rifle not suited to the task and you get labeled a 'conspiracy theorist.'

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Re: Newspeak
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2019, 03:32:57 pm »
I don't quite see what you're getting at, Jerry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if somebody believes producers of sedans* got together and decided to murder President Kennedy because his preference for convertibles was detrimental to their business - which would qualify as a conspiracy, right? - then that somebody believes in a conspiracy and is therefore a conspiracy theorist, isn't he?

*Oops, I've just found out that "sedan" and "convertible" are not antonyms. Sigh. Well, you know what I mean, don't you?

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2019, 04:13:09 pm »
I don't quite see what you're getting at, Jerry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if somebody believes producers of sedans* got together and decided to murder President Kennedy because his preference for convertibles was detrimental to their business - which would qualify as a conspiracy, right? - then that somebody believes in a conspiracy and is therefore a conspiracy theorist, isn't he?

*Oops, I've just found out that "sedan" and "convertible" are not antonyms. Sigh. Well, you know what I mean, don't you?
What I mean is that if you don't swallow the official line, then you're a conspiracy theorist. At least that's how the term is used over here in the New World.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2019, 04:25:17 pm »
So, what do you suggest, Jerry? Dubitationist? Suspicionist? Me, I'm rather in favor of "sinistrologist". Or how about "spinner"? (You'd just need to ignore the word's German meaning. ;) )

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2019, 04:39:29 pm »
So, what do you suggest, Jerry? Dubitationist? Suspicionist? Me, I'm rather in favor of "sinistrologist". Or how about "spinner"? (You'd just need to ignore the word's German meaning. ;) )
Suspicionist has a rather nice ring to it. Good job.  ;) Or maybe just skeptic or sceptic.

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2019, 04:48:37 pm »
Or cynic.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2019, 11:17:31 pm »
Yeah, a Spinner would be a good word.

I‘ve never gone in for conspiracy theories. I liked that old Oliver Stone movie from the 90s or so, JFK I think it was called. But, after awhile, I‘ve noticed that conspiracy theories sort of fade away, maybe have a shelf life and then no one cares.

It‘s like the 9/11  conspiracy theorists.

Noam Chomsky gave a good talk on this several times. He doesn’t mention it here, but I heard him say that, as a general rule, secrets are pretty hard to keep, especially on something as large as the 9/11 conspiracy theory, but he goes on to make a couple of pretty valid points:

ROT MACHT STARK! Nur tote Fische schwimmen mit dem Strom.  http://www.dielinke-aurich.de/

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Re: Newspeak
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2019, 11:40:58 pm »
So, what do you suggest, Jerry? Dubitationist? Suspicionist? Me, I'm rather in favor of "sinistrologist". Or how about "spinner"? (You'd just need to ignore the word's German meaning. ;) )
Suspicionist has a rather nice ring to it. Good job.  ;) Or maybe just skeptic or sceptic.

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