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« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2018, 07:22:48 pm »
Neal, the US is already setting itself up to be like a Turkey with Erdogan. It`going in that direction fast.
I`m glad you feel protected from the power of the US military with a pee-shooter in the garage because of the 2nd amendement. I´m sure that shotgun will stand up well against the US military arsenal. I can assure you it`s a pure delusion. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense with a one-party US governmental system with an wannabe dictator at the helm, who wants to rule by decree.

Steven, I do wish you would not compare your maybe less than ideal government to dictatorships like Erdogan's. If nothing else, it's disrespectful towards their victims.
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« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2018, 08:13:10 pm »
No, Alharacas, I`m not comparing the US to dictatorships, like in Turkey, or other places. But, Trump does admire “strong leaders” as he calls them. And, it`s not just Erdogan but others all over the place too, like in the Philippines, etc.

I just saw on Yahoo news briefly, and I don’t know the news source (it could have been CNN or MSNBC) where either trump or Ted Cruz said he (one or the other or both) had never heard of citizenship by birth and didn`t know what it was. This is like junior high school social studies stuff for a 12 year old. It`s pretty shocking. So, if they don’t think its birth place that triggers citizenship, what standard are these guys expecting to use? Do they want everyone to fill out an Ahnentafel or something? (Genealogy chart)?

It´s really getting bizarre. We can only hope for a big win for the democrats in a week to save the country. Otherwise, it`s going down the drain.

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« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2018, 08:37:04 pm »
where either trump or Ted Cruz said he (one or the other or both) had never heard of citizenship by birth and didn`t know what it was.
That's not true and you know it's not.

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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2018, 12:41:38 am »
Well, that was on Yahoo news this morning, but it doesn’t matter. Trump thinks he can eliminate birthright-citizenship by executive order, or his law-making-by-fiat philosophy. I thought that`s the way dictators did things? The entire notion is pretty ridiculous and unprecedented.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/us/politics/trump-birthright-citizenship.html
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« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2018, 01:47:55 am »
I think the plan is to issue the executive order, and once it is challenged have the Supreme Court rule on it.  The argument can be made that the Constitution is murky on the subject and the Court has not weighed in on it.

The U.S. and Canada are the only developed countries in the world that offer birthright citizenship to tourists and illegal aliens.  And no, Germany doesn't do it either.

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« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2018, 03:02:35 am »
Neal,

You and those guns aren’t going to protect you against the US war machine. Seriously? Neal, what are you going on about? You wouldn’t be safe if you were even allowed to own a tank.

I don’t know how clearer the 14th Amendment can be when it says all persons born in the US are US citizens. What’s ambiguous about that? Is there an exception for tourists and illegal aliens? Well, it sure doesn’t say or imply that.

Here´s a great example of where the conservatives want “judicial activism”, which they claim to hate (in other words interpretation), when it suits their agenda, but not when it doesn’t. You can`t have it both ways. Either the Supreme Court has a kind of law-making function through interpretation (Marbury v. Madison) or it doesn’t.

In 1958 the State of Arkansas took a segregation case to the US Supreme Court (about segregated schools) and argued that the US Supreme Court had no right interpret the Constitution, effectively asking it to reverse Marbury v. Madison, which goes back to the late 1700s I think, and the Court said, “No. You´re wrong. So, go away.” And, the State of Arkansas did go away. Now, we’ve got all the “strict constructionists” not wanting strict construction, but free and open interpretation so long as it follows their political agenda.

I don’t know about other countries offering citizenship by birth to tourists and illegal aliens, but if you read the article, Mexico and a few other countries do have citizenship-birth rules. It doesn’t mention tourists or illegal residents.

Yeah, I know of no European country that offers citizenship by place of birth. They all, generally speaking, require at least one parent be a citizen and place of birth in the world becomes irrelevant.

There was a really odd story on German TV not long ago, a documentary, about a strange situation where some guy had German citizenship and his parents moved when he was very young to the US, like when he was a month old or something. They somehow lived in the US for decades and he was raised here. Either the parents died or something, and he never got US citizenship, but just lived here somehow because his parents had residency permits. When the parents died or whatever happened to them, he had no legal status in the US and the US just deported him to Germany (he doesn’t know how lucky he was). But, the guy didn`t speak the language, he was older when deported, and didn`t have job skills of any sort that he could carry over to Germany, but he had German citizenship. I think he ended up on public assistance renting a room out from someone. A very odd story.
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« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2018, 03:55:56 am »
The AA-12 is just an incredibly robust and easy to use weapon, even for old guys like me with poor eyesight.  And the dragon's breath rounds are just a hoot.  Not much use against the US army but plenty for revolting liberals, rioting snowflake millenials, or para military wannabe police.

As for the 14th amendment the jurisdiction clause is not at all clear.  The idea is that ultimately tourists and illegals are still under their citizen country jurisdiction and for most crimes are simply deported.  But if it makes you happy I could go for a constitutional amendment.  And Paul Ryan's quote is the reason why he and Romney were not elected in 2012.  RINOs. 

Birthright citizenship is dumb and needs to be ended.  It has only really become something in the past few decades with the ease of major travel.

Anchor babies are a ridiculous, modern concept.
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« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2018, 04:06:45 am »
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I don’t know how clearer the 14th Amendment can be when it says all persons born in the US are US citizens.
FALSE. That is not what it says.

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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2018, 04:48:22 am »
Jerry,

Did you read the 14th Amendment in the New York Times article? I don`t how you can be much clearer than that. Where’s the ambiguity? This isn’t like Roe v. Wade where the US Supreme Court found certain liberty rights in the “penumbras” of the due process clause to come up with particular legal rights not spelled out clearly. I`ll admit that was a bit of a stretch (and that’s reaching back 30 years to Con. Law class, remembering all that).

I`d recommend doing the constitutional amendment route, like Neal says. Or let`s compromise. We repeal the 2nd Amendment entirely because it is such a pathetic old joke it`s not even funny, and worthless on top of that, in exchange for your 14th Amendment alteration to keep out the people you don’t want born to illegals and tourists. Or just make citizenship require one US citizen parent and make place of birth irrelevant like in Europe. I don’t really care one way or the other to be honest.

Neal,

What are you going to do with that AA-12? Hunt squirrels? Please. Why would anyone waste his money on something like that?

I think the rioting liberals aren’t going to be much threat to your farm anyway. So, fogetaboutit.

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« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2018, 05:12:54 am »
Neal,

I think there’s something about people from Long Island, New York that make them gun lovers. I don’t know what it is exactly. Maybe something in the water.

I had a friend once from Islip, or between Brentwood and Islip I think he said, who sounded just you with that AA-12 thing.  If you showed him that AA-12 he’d have thought it was the most amazing thing in the world, his eyes would have glazed over, and he`d have wanted to know all about it. And the gun collection this guy had? Oh my god. This guy was off the scale cookoo about guns. I never figured it out. It`s got something to do with people from your area, or at least the Brentwood/Islip area. They love their guns and ammo.
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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2018, 05:32:06 am »
Jerry,

I know what you`re hung up about. It`s the 14th Amendment saying “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. That’s just a lot of verbiage that doesn’t mean anything. Everyone who is in the US for any reason, legal or illegal, citizen or non-citizen, is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. That’s like, “yeah, no kidding. Everyone here is.” Even people OUTSIDE the US can be subject to the jurisdiction of the US. All they need to do is anything that in any sight way impacts the US to be subject to US jurisdiction, as far as the US is concerned. I`m not saying it`s right, but that`s just US law. Why do you think Noriega is in jail in the US (I think he’s still alive isn’t he?)  He was in Panama and the US just went in and kidnapped him and dragged him back to the US. All those “no jurisdiction” defenses went nowhere in court. Pablo Escobar was subject to the jurisdiction of the US as far as US law was concerned, yet he lived in Columbia and was a Columbian citizen. And he knew the US would have loved to have grabbed him up and brought him back to the US to send him away. Anyone who even sets foot in the US is subject to US jurisdiction. That’s just the basic law of jurisdiction that`s been around a couple of hundred years. In the 14th A it`s just worthless filler. I don`t know why they put that in there. They were just being dummies I guess.
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« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2018, 10:22:13 am »
Steve, what would rioting liberals want with my farm?  The only thing that has value in case of a societal breakdown.  And no it isnt gold, its food. 

I also don't fear the US army, I figure in most cases they would be on my side.  I do think my weapons make the expropriation wackadoos like your pals at PSL or those people murdering white farmers in South Africa ( just one worlwide example) think twice.  And I refuse to be a pathetic sheep, entrusting the safety of my life and property to the government, when all around and throughout history there is example after example of how tragically foolish that can be.

And yes I do believe some of the overreach of the previous administration was kept in check by the fact that the people are armed.
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« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2018, 06:44:45 pm »
Wackadoos at the PSL? They are supporting the hotel strike in San Francisco with the „one job should be enough“ campaign and they´ve got some good articles on Cuba and Venezuela and how the US embargo has caused hardship on Cuba and how Venezuela is holding up in spite of US aggression. The entire world at the UN is against the Cuba embargo except the US and Israel (typical).
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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2018, 07:12:20 pm »
Send me the links, I could use some third grade level reading material, right after I finish "See Dick Run".
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« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2018, 09:05:12 pm »
Neal, third grade level reading material??

No, this link it to the PSL´s educational library where they store their best pieces:

"Nobody can deny that we made an army and that from the beginning we have inculcated gentlemanly and humane principles to that army. … The armed institutions should offer services in peace, ...
Liberation School – Revolutionary Marxism for a new generation of fighters · liberationschool.org


Sort of makes Cuba sound like a socialist paradies.

It`s called the „Liberation School.“

And this is a good interview with Angela Davis from 1972:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQCzP-dBvg&t=10s Angela Davis: And they all ask one main question, which is, "Why is Angela Davis a communist?" It is a very hard question to answer, ...
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You should visit their office next time you are in San Francisco. Their literature is free or you could leave a donation. :)
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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2018, 02:57:47 am »
The Mission district, swell.  Perhaps I could pick up a tasty taco when I visit.
I will be sure to leave a donation.  I wouldn't want any of the third graders to miss the big field trip to Sea World.
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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2018, 03:49:03 am »
Well, there is a taqueria next to their office, so be nice. And yes, the area is a little seedy, but then they can`t exactly afford the Republican luxury office suites like all the rich folks. These are working class people working for the working class, don’t forget.
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« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2018, 04:02:36 am »
You realize of course that a large portion of their teaching materials are basically Communist Comic books?

Or do you prefer the title Graphic Novel?
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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2018, 05:16:49 am »
You realize of course that a large portion of their teaching materials are basically Communist Comic books?

Or do you prefer the title Graphic Novel?

Neal,

They are not comic books, but serious stuff! You should read this material sometime. Did you read all about the Cuban history and what Fidel did for the country and what that Batista guy was up to? It was shocking. The Cubans didn`t have shoes or healthcare or anything before Fidel came along, according to the article. Their lives were horrible before 1959.
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« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2018, 05:21:44 am »
Plus, I got upgraded here with a special award status (not sure what that means but it sounds good).

Maybe it was because of my new quote below, „Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer.“ That’s from Erich Honecker, „always forward, never backward“, you know the former DDR leader guy. Well, he kind of went down the drain himself, the poor guy and died in Chile. But, at least he had that „move forward“ spirit.

But, anyway, never mind Honecker. This is my new theme of optimism! I move forward to the paradise of Germany and leave the ruin of the US behind!!“
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« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2018, 11:27:10 am »
Well first of all the books are full of lies - case in point Castro's nationalization of US industry on the island, (which is the basis for the U.S. embargo) is portrayed as a natural response to Eisenhower lowering the sugar quota.  What is ignored is the lowering of the sugar quota was a response to Castro selling sugar to the Communist block at more favorable rates and his forcing US petroleum interests in Cuba to refine Soviet oil or face economic repercussions. 

The list of lies goes on and on, I stopped reading after a while.

You do bring up a good point tho Steve, and I will open a new thread on it in worldwide politics later today.
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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2018, 01:42:19 pm »
You stopped reading it because it told the truth and you didnt want to hear it.
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« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2018, 01:59:51 pm »
Yes, you're right that was it.  The case in point I remarked on above is totally irrelevant.  You caught me.

In reality Steve the lies were so obvious I really didn't feel like bothering to document more than a few.  When you're batting 1000 by playing against third graders, it gets boring after a while.

I find our new discussion about future policy towards South America far more interesting because you have a point.   How do we bring wealth and opportunity to the masses in countries where the very means of production (land, capital, education) are inordinately expensive or completely unavailable to them.
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« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2018, 03:48:46 pm »
Yes, you're right that was it.  The case in point I remarked on above is totally irrelevant.  You caught me.

In reality Steve the lies were so obvious I really didn't feel like bothering to document more than a few.  When you're batting 1000 by playing against third graders, it gets boring after a while.

I find our new discussion about future policy towards South America far more interesting because you have a point.   How do we bring wealth and opportunity to the masses in countries where the very means of production (land, capital, education) are inordinately expensive or completely unavailable to them.

You didnt read my article because it was fantastic.
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« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2018, 12:27:36 pm »
This discussion is already a little bit "old" and it had even strained from the original topic, but I just happened to find this notebook entry about it. The title caught my attention and I am happy it did.
It's about vernacular languages and I really like what this guy has to say about the subject.

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« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2018, 06:22:54 pm »
This discussion is already a little bit "old" and it had even strained from the original topic, but I just happened to find this notebook entry about it. The title caught my attention and I am happy it did.
It's about vernacular languages and I really like what this guy has to say about the subject.

https://www.italki.com/notebook/2917455/entry/948410

I had a little trouble understanding what he meant by “venacular languages”. Is is talking about “dead” languages like Latin or little used languages like Icelandic? I`m confused what a “venacular language” is. I also disagree with his comments about the reason people select certain languages to learn. The list he gave is only half-true. There is no such thing as an “easy” language to learn, for example. What makes a language easy to one, might make it extremely difficult to another. It`s multi-factorial. For English or German native speakers, Dutch is supposed to be an easy language to learn. But, that is not true for a native Japanese speaker. To call any language “easy” to learn is ridiculous. All foreign languages are hard to learn. They requires endless hours of exposure to the language, formal grammar instruction lasting often years, overall exposure to the language for years, and a LOT of motivation. A lot less than most academic subjects.
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